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Post by faya27 on Jul 2, 2010 2:37:35 GMT -5
I never saw Treasure Planet so I can't judge Jim, but what the heck is up with disney fans shipping Ariel/Jim!? People come on!!! Ariel belongs with Eric; NOT JIm!!! Ariel and Jim are NOT even in the same movie!! Whoever came up this stupid couple is either an anti-Eric fan or has never seen The Little Mermaid! It's not just the Disney fans that hate Ariel/Eric, it's the Disney company too. On the Disney merchandise, you see Jasmine with Aladdin and Belle with Beast, but you NEVER see Ariel with Eric! Geesh! It seems like they're trying to split Ariel and Eric up just so they can show her in her mermaid form! Why people don't like Ariel being with Eric is beyond me! I thought Phoebus/Esmeralda were the most hated Disney animated couple!
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Post by Coral on Jul 2, 2010 10:45:29 GMT -5
I've never seen Treasure Planet either. You're totally right though. Ariel doesn't belong with anyone else!
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 2, 2010 11:18:30 GMT -5
Honestly. I think its just that group of fangirls. Most of them are childish and don't listen to other opinions without throwing a hissy fit. They're only arguments consist of "They both like to explore and discover new things and stuff." Bleh. Anyway, I have friends who are no where near the disney lovers I am, but still like the movies that are completely clueless to the Ariel/Jim ship. They know its Ariel/Eric as does most of the world
I don't hate Jim, I think he's quite cute and would be a darling BF for Melody when she was a few years older. Ariel and he are just NOT good personailty matches. If it was another Eric-less verse where he was more mature and not so impulsive I coudl see it. Otherwise, they wouldn't be able to learn anything from each other. But it seems like his fangirls are trying to give him a girlfriend for the sake of having a girlfriend. Which is dumb.
Anyway, we have cannon they don't. No matter how many little artsies or fanfics they pump out they won't be able to change it.
Also, I don't think the Disney company hates Eric, They're dumb with how they handle him. But Ariel is a mermaid and that's how they market her most of the time cause that's what makes her diffrent then the other girls
Oh, my poor Esme. She's in SO many terrible ships. It annoys me since most of the time it rips away all the things that make her awesome into some hipocritical tramp. I'm not much of a Pheobus fan. But I understand why her character loved him. And I'm not a big enough jerk, or have the ego to make Norrinton be the one she dumps Pheobus for. For one, it wouldn't work.
However, Esme/Norry is my top AU ship <3
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 3, 2010 11:47:04 GMT -5
I think because Jim is a more overtly rebellious character and has explicit angst, he naturally has his share of fangirls. And as a futuristic 'sailor' they see Ariel as a good match for him and use her as a surrogate for themselves. It's the same reason Jack/Elizabeth is so popular. Pick the most convenient female and hook them up with the wilder male character.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 3, 2010 16:09:03 GMT -5
*nods* I get what you're saying and it makes sense. The thing is at least Jack and Lizzy are in the same movie and at points is shown to be attracted to him. and lets face it, Jim ain't no Jack  As cute as the boy is. What bothers me more then the ship itself is how mean the fangirls are about it. I also hate the idea of Ariel becoming like a Bella Swann. She has more of a brain and heart then that. I personally for AU wise think Ariel/Hercules and Ariel/Will Turner are a hundred times cuter LOL |
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jul 4, 2010 12:14:02 GMT -5
I think Jess and Frida hit it on the head and knocked it out of the ballpark. Also, is it me, or is Jim too young for Ariel anyways?
I've never really noticed that you never see Eric on any Disney merchandise with Ariel until you mentioned it, Faya. I hate it when companies ignore their own creations like that. It’s similar to the hang-up Warner Bros./Cartoon Network has with Scrappy Doo (though they blatantly hate Scrappy), and it pisses me off to no end.
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Post by Coral on Jul 4, 2010 22:51:31 GMT -5
This is totally unrelated but has anyone noticed how Jasmine is being ignored these days? Was in Target after church this morning and saw a boxed set of Disney Princess dolls. Ariel, Belle, Aurora, Cindy, Tiana, Snow White and MULAN!!! That made me so mad. Mulan is not a princess. Jasmine is and she gets overlooked? Puh-lease.
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jul 18, 2010 1:12:47 GMT -5
I've never actually noticed that, but come to think of it I really haven't seen much of Jasmine in merchandising lately. Weird.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 25, 2010 21:51:45 GMT -5
i can see why people like jim/ariel over ariel/eric. I mnyslef find ariel/eric boring since i don't bleieve in love at first sight. I think it's stupid that Ariel pursues a relationship with eric without getting to know him first.
No i don't ship jim/ariel either since they aren't compatible for each other. jim is too smart for ariel. I eprsonally ship ariel iwth hercules. Those two are sooo perfect for each other. I love the idea of those two being a couple, since i didn't find meg compatible for hercules either.to me, meg would go best with the character Speedy from the cartoon called"teen titans"
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jul 26, 2010 0:03:50 GMT -5
*dons army helmet and takes cover in the trenches.* I think this discussion is going to take an "interesting" turn now...
No seriously, I'll contribute something constructive. So Megarafan, what do you think about Aladdin and Jasmine's relationship? I mean, he sees her just once and falls in love with her because of her beauty. He gets to know her a little better, then gets separated from her after trying to help her. Ariel pretty much does the exact same thing, yet I can't help but notice that pple seem to be fine with him doing that.
Secondly, I think a lot of pple mistake Hercules' naivete for stupidity. Being naive and stupid are two totally different animals. Hercules wasn't very experienced about some things compared to the savvier Meg, but that doesn't mean he's some mouhthbreather. Watch the animated series, he's got a good head on his shoulders. And why do you call Ariel stupid?
Personally, I cann't see Meg and Speedy, but that's just me. Just curious, but how did you come up with that one?
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 0:23:05 GMT -5
I don't hate Ariel(if I did then why i would be here) but she knew that Ursula was evil and she still made a deal with her; that's stupidity there, not navietivity. also she risks her life but getting a fork she dropped in the begininng of the movie, she could've been eaten by the shark. Lastly ,Ariel in the 3rd movie fights for the right for merfolk to make music and when she gets what she wants, she doesn't attend the concerts tritons hosts. I thought wow when she wanted music so much and then when she gets it ,she doesn't use her freedom to sing.
To be honest i'm not much of a fan of aladdin/jasmine, but at least they didn't just rush right away, yeah they fell for each other at 1st sight, but it takes time for them to get married. I'm ok with them but i don't ship them. I personally think that esmralda suits aladdin better than jasmine. Aladdin and esmralda have a lot in common and that's why i love them as a couple .you can tell that by my siggy. I just find aladdin/esmeralda soo cute! they are my disney otp.
Well yeah the series does show him using his head ,but it also shows him making dumb decisions.
I came up with meg/speedy after watching titans east part 1 for the second time.
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 26, 2010 12:32:45 GMT -5
Megarafan, what about Meg? She made a deal with Hades, who seems to be pretty widely known to be evil. Was she stupid for doing that? Obviously making a "deal with the devil" is never a good choice, but at that point Ariel was dealing with having feelings for Eric and her father betraying her trust by invading her grotto and destroying all her "treasures." And don't forget at this point she has reason to be uncertain whether things she's always been told were bad really are. She was in a vulnerable place and Ursula took advantage of that. Personally I dislike couples who are too similar. In my opinion the best relationships are about balance, so there should be a contrast in characteristics between the pair. YMMV of course. But diversity of opinions is what we're all about, so welcome aboard.  BTW, just a quick note, we encourage the use of proper spelling, grammar, and capitalization here. So it'd be great if you could read over your posts and/or run them through spell-check before submitting. I know it can seem annoying, but it just makes things easier for everyone to read. |
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Post by Coral on Jul 26, 2010 14:11:42 GMT -5
Megarafan, I don't want you to think we're picking on you or anything, but we take great pride in being a friendly place and conducting ourselves as well-mannered adults. And welcome to TSG! |
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 15:11:23 GMT -5
thanks Coral! I wasn't trying to be rude to anyone.
Also Elphie(if you are ok with me calling you that) I never said that meg was smart, but she is smarter than Herc though. I know it was stupid of her to make a deal with hades but she didn't make many other stupid decisions. No, i'm not trying to make meg sound all-smart, she's just not that stupid but there's other heroines that are smarter than her such as belle,jane, mulan, and esmeralda.
Did i make any grammar or spelling mistakes in this post?
I'll try my best to proof-read my posts since I need to practice typing faster without making mistakes
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Post by Coral on Jul 26, 2010 16:15:11 GMT -5
I've never seen Hercules so I can't comment on Meg's behavior and attitude. But I am one of those people that has TLM memorized and can quote just about the whole thing.
The older I get and the more life experience I rack up, the more Ariel's actions and thoughts make sense to me. I'm the resident oldie here at almost 28 and I've been through a heck of a lot in the last year. When your heart is breaking because you've been hurt by someone who's supposed to protect you, logic and evaluating your decisions is the last thing on your mind. With the most recent situation I've been through, I don't know what would have happened if my sister hadn't been there with me. I was incapable of thinking clearly.
Ariel's feelings had to be very similar to that. She'd just had her heart broken by her father, and all her dreams smashed. My dad didn't break my heart. Someone else did and in the process he smashed all my dreams too. I can very easily see how Ariel was swayed to go see Ursula and do something about getting her dreams back. I'm still trying to figure out how mine can be resurrected.
When you feel as if your heart has just been ripped from you and run through a paper shredder, the last thing you do is think logically, You follow whatever course of action takes you furthest from the pain. For Ariel, that was leaving the ocean.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 18:09:51 GMT -5
wow that was deep Coral, that makes sense why ariel did what she did.
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 26, 2010 20:16:35 GMT -5
That was better Meg. If you want there's a program here, www.iespell.com/ where you can spell-check while in internet explorer, that might be helpful. Also, to jump in as admin, I'm gonna ask that everyone back away from using blanket terms like "smart" and "stupid" which are subjective, and can lead people to be defensive of their favorite characters. There are different kinds of smart. For example Jane is probably more "book-smart" than Meg, but Meg is arguably more "street-smart" than she is because she's had more life experience. |
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 20:33:29 GMT -5
ok i'll try aviod using the word stupid. I agree meg is street wise but esmralda is the most street-wise disney heroine though
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 26, 2010 20:53:39 GMT -5
Aww, Rachel. I'm sorry about that. I'll make sure to be praying for you *hugs* I love your analysis on Ariel's thoughts though, No matter how much I try to explain it from that angle some people just don't get it xD Now, I am an Ariel and Eric lover. I feel like they would compliment each other's personalities well. Ariel is feisty, Eric is calm. Ariel is bold, and Eric more often then not looks before he leaps. I agree with Jess (Elphie), couples who are don't share a lot of similarities are much more interesting to me. To be fair, in TLM, they only show that Ariel and Eric eventually did get married. It never said *when* it happened. For them to get married so quickly after the ordeal with Ursula not to mention Ariel would need time to adjust life as a human. It would be a BAD idea otherwise. With Meg she had been crushed and hurt so bad she was sarcastic out of self-defense. Hercules was what helped break down that wall, just by being kind. She mocked him when they first met, and he didn't jab back at her. And no, i don't find him stupid either, Nicole. Stupidity and being naive are mixed up by people a lot xD. And the dumb things he did in the show were about him growing up. Aladdin does dumb things too you know  As far as "who's the smartest Disney girl" is a matter of situation and what intelligence you're looking for. Megara and Esme are both quick witted and could use that to get out of a tough spot. Belle and Jane are more intellectuals. But in Esme's time and life-style its not likely she'd even know how to read. Apples and oranges, both are fruit but different and good in their own way ^^ |
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 21:28:36 GMT -5
Aww, Rachel. I'm sorry about that. I'll make sure to be praying for you *hugs* I love your analysis on Ariel's thoughts though, No matter how much I try to explain it from that angle some people just don't get it xD Now, I am an Ariel and Eric lover. I feel like they would compliment each other's personalities well. Ariel is feisty, Eric is calm. Ariel is bold, and Eric more often then not looks before he leaps. I agree with Jess (Elphie), couples who are don't share a lot of similarities are much more interesting to me. To be fair, in TLM, they only show that Ariel and Eric eventually did get married. It never said *when* it happened. For them to get married so quickly after the ordeal with Ursula not to mention Ariel would need time to adjust life as a human. It would be a BAD idea otherwise. With Meg she had been crushed and hurt so bad she was sarcastic out of self-defense. Hercules was what helped break down that wall, just by being kind. She mocked him when they first met, and he didn't jab back at her. And no, i don't find him stupid either, Nicole. Stupidity and being naive are mixed up by people a lot xD. And the dumb things he did in the show were about him growing up. Aladdin does dumb things too you know As far as "who's the smartest Disney girl" is a matter of situation and what intelligence you're looking for. Megara and Esme are both quick witted and could use that to get out of a tough spot. Belle and Jane are more intellectuals. But in Esme's time and life-style its not likely she'd even know how to read. Apples and oranges, both are fruit but different and good in their own way ^^ ok Frida, that's cool that you prefer opposites attracting. Well I admit in some cases i like opposites attract. I like belle/the beast and those two complement each other, but i like couples who have a lot in common too. yep, I'm aware that she was sarcastic out of self-defense, that's what i love her character, She's human and makes mistakes plus she's not dependant on guys like Bella Swann and snow white are. I admire characters with guts. I know that there's multiple types of smarts. That's what I was trying to say last post but you did a better job of saying that than me though. |
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As cute as the boy is. What bothers me more then the ship itself is how mean the fangirls are about it. I also hate the idea of Ariel becoming like a Bella Swann. She has more of a brain and heart then that. 
