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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 5, 2010 16:46:24 GMT -5
Disney is one of those franchises that gets it right with who is paired with who, they spend a lot of time thinking about it after all, its their job ^^
I have to disagree with that. I never saw Esme with Quasi, even without Phoebus. She's too experienced in the world, and has a tendency to become like a big sister, or mother bear to those she feels that need her protection. Plus, I thought it was kind of clear in the film the reason Esme looked so much like Quasi's mother was that she subconsciously brought to mind the only woman who cared for him. I can definitely see Quasi having feelings for Esme, but not really the other way around. She just strikes me that she thought of Quasi in almost a child-like way.
Pheobus (I'm not his biggest fan but I understand her point of veiw on why she loved him) was more experienced in the world, like she was, would be able to handle her kind of personality more then Quasi would have. And obviously it was in her character to desire romance. She wasn't a love sick little girl like in the book, but she did believe in love.
Because you happen to have an opinion on something doesn't mean the characters you like would share it, ya know ^^
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Post by megarafan on Aug 5, 2010 18:23:31 GMT -5
i don't ship quasi/esm either. I just think that esmralda was acting ooc by loving phoebus. there wasn't enough chemistry between them for me to like them. that's why i prefer crossover, because in my opinion that if some character met another one from another movie and then the two became couple eventually, there would be more chemistry between them for whatever reason.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 5, 2010 19:14:14 GMT -5
Part of the point of the movie was so that Quasi could learn to be happy for other people. Also in that era people didn't take long in couting or engagements as modern times.
However, it was in character for her to want to connect with people if she got a vibe about them she liked. You may have not liked that part about her character, but it was a trait she had that can't be swept under a rug. Also, Pheobus was a good man. He chose not to burn that house down and almost died trying to save that family, but I think she'd like that he had a rogue side to him.
She wasn't like Meg who was jaded by love, if anything Esme was a big romantic and a bit of a flirt. She just didn't want to be taken advantage of or treated like someone's property.
I like cross ships, but its not gospel. And some are just absurd, though fans have different veiws of a characters.
In the end what was established is what works best for all Disney couples. You may not like it, but you are also not the one who created them ^^
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Post by megarafan on Aug 5, 2010 21:46:20 GMT -5
yeah i don't like all them but that's the creator's choice. that's why there's crossovers, and AU. fanfiction and fanvidding is fun since you can put two people together who either never met or if they did they didn't become a couple in their storyline.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 6, 2010 18:23:38 GMT -5
That's still just a matter of opinion. I left an rp recently who was pairing Ariel with Gaston, according to the rper it was cause he was "good looking and care free" and even talked about how dumb Ariel's character. It was a bunch of bull to me and clearly the rper just using her for her own fangirl fantasy deal she has for Gaston. But since it was a Beauty and the Beast forum they only cared about how the B&TB characters were being played. Which is wrong since there are people who try really hard no matter where they rp and don't take on characters they have a negative view of.
So basically, while I enjoy AUs and cross-shipping myself, its more often then not miss and rarely what I consider a hit
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 7, 2010 0:06:31 GMT -5
LOL, you said you 'had to think about who would be better', and that he was 'probably better' so I was just adding more of my assessment  Well yeah I said that, but that was in regards to him with Eric, not any relationship lol.. I still find it boring when people are too much alike in relationships. You can't learn anything from them. Agreed, but I don't like it when they're too different, which I feel Eric/Ariel is. Might I also add that Ariel finding Eric handsome actually has more depth then most write it off. Most of the other merpeople would probably be like "EW! A *human*? Are you joking?" I see it as being the equivalent to a rich white girl in the South during the 50's thinking a black guy was handsome. So yeah, she thought he was cute at first, but she was also willing to look past her culture's prejudices in that sense too. That's not quite entirely true. By the time she met Eric in the first movie, she was already fascinated by humans, and was interested in them. That started in the TV series I believe. Anyway, at first, she really was only interested in his looks, I mean, by looking at her actions, you could tell. However, once they spent time together, that outlook changed into more. Anyway, they were married after twelve years and still were shown to love each other. Also from the time you saw them hanging out in the movie, they got along well and had fun together. LOL. Yeah? lol.. Again. you're still free to dislike him, but don't you think you may be looking at it from your view of him rather then what Ariel would think? Well of course I'm looking at it from my view, because I am me. Since I am a guy, I'm not really interested in Eric as much as everyone else, however, I still feel that there are better people that could be matched with Ariel. If we went by what someone elses view of the matter is, then there really wouldn't be any room for discussion/debate. |
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Post by WickedElphie on Aug 7, 2010 0:47:51 GMT -5
Just a friendly Admin reminder for everyone to please be respectful of other people's points of view. Disagreeing is fine, but implying someone is wrong for not seeing things the way you do is not. I've been noticing the tone of this topic has been getting a little heated. So I'm going to keep an on things for a little longer, and if I decide it's necessary I may lock this topic in favor of starting a general discussion on Shipping couples.
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Post by megarafan on Aug 7, 2010 13:38:28 GMT -5
ok, if you want you could create a shipping board elphie. also i wasn't trying to be rude, and i don't think anyone here was except for the eprson who created the board, but if you want you can make a shipping board. also Frida where did you find a crossover rp?
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 7, 2010 16:48:51 GMT -5
Let me just apologize since sometimes I know I can be blunt with how I state my opinions, but I don't want to disrespect anyone with that ^^. Also, I don't think pointing fingers is nessesary, which was why Jess gave a general reminder ^^
Dan, I still have to disagree with you. You are free to not like Eric, but its in Ariel's character to love him. The scene where she sees him on the board is supposed to be "look how perfect Eric is for Ariel" He was kind, modest, brave loved music and animals. Wanted to be loved. I have to applaud the film makers for adding the storm scene and more dialoge then the prince had to in the origanal story. I did not undestand where the book!mermaid was coming from unless her desire for a soul was what made her want him.
I posted in the disney section about AU ships. If you browse the board you'll find it ^^.
LOL, Crossover rps are everywhere. you can find them by google ^^
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Post by WickedElphie on Aug 10, 2010 20:28:46 GMT -5
Megarafan, I wasn't speaking to anyone in particular. The tone in general was just getting a little confrontational and I thought everyone could use a little reminder to not take the discussion so personally. We're all Disney fans with our own unique perspectives and that's awesome.  |
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Post by faya27 on Aug 10, 2010 21:02:48 GMT -5
I just want to telly everybody that you don't have to like Eric or Ariel or Eric/Ariel but don't crush people for liking Ariel/Eric. I am annoyed that some people can't accept the fact that people, like me, only like cannon couples. And like fridamoonbeam said, just because you have an opinion on something doesn't mean the characters you like would agree with you. I know that Ursula would get mad at me if I told her that in Anderson's original TLM tale, she didn't get her happy ending, either.
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Post by megarafan on Aug 10, 2010 22:20:12 GMT -5
I just want to telly everybody that you don't have to like Eric or Ariel or Eric/Ariel but don't crush people for liking Ariel/Eric. I am annoyed that some people can't accept the fact that people, like me, only like cannon couples. And like fridamoonbeam said, just because you have an opinion on something doesn't mean the characters you like would agree with you. I know that Ursula would get mad at me if I told her that in Anderson's original TLM tale, she didn't get her happy ending, either. that's ok that you like canon, but i was offended when you bashed jim/ariel. even though i don't ship them. i just thought you were a littel too harsh on jim/ariel |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 10, 2010 23:54:21 GMT -5
I think Faya is more upset with the fanbase for Jim and Ariel then the pair itself, (I don't care for it, personally) since a lot of them tend to come off as petty and closed minded to people who like the cannon couple. Not all, mind you. But you yourself have expressed how much you dislike certain couples on here in a similar manner and I know you didn't mean to offend anyone either ^^ Anyway, lets keep the discussion positive cause this board is for fun, right?  |
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Post by megarafan on Aug 11, 2010 20:32:44 GMT -5
ok , frida. also i didn't know that faya was talking about the fan base. i didn't ven know that the jim/ariel fan base was huge
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 11, 2010 23:26:20 GMT -5
Jim has a fanbase? I didn't know ghosts were fans |
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Post by Coral on Aug 15, 2010 15:13:18 GMT -5
A separate board section for shipping couples doesn't really fit in with the theme of the forum. But feel free to start those types of discussions for non-TLM characters in the All Things Disney section of the board. Just remember to keep it friendly and non-accusatory. One thing to remember too with most of these movies is that they're based on books or stories that have been part of Anglo/European culture for a minimum of 100 years.. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a classic novel and the character pairings are already set. Messing with something already established isn't usually a good idea when you're making a movie. But there's nothing wrong with fans playing around with it after-wards. The outcome of Hercules was also already set, to a certain degree. The Greek myths are well-entrenched into Western society. Hercules was naive and it was always getting him into trouble. Many of us here have had horrible experiences with some Disney fan bases and we've been bashed and banned for trying to have rational discussions about things. This board was created in response to one of those bad experiences. We don't want TSG turning into one of those places. All viewpoints are welcome, we just ask that they be presented in as calm a manner as possible and to be respectful of differing opinions. |
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Post by megarafan on Aug 17, 2010 11:59:04 GMT -5
A separate board section for shipping couples doesn't really fit in with the theme of the forum. But feel free to start those types of discussions for non-TLM characters in the All Things Disney section of the board. Just remember to keep it friendly and non-accusatory. One thing to remember too with most of these movies is that they're based on books or stories that have been part of Anglo/European culture for a minimum of 100 years.. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is a classic novel and the character pairings are already set. Messing with something already established isn't usually a good idea when you're making a movie. But there's nothing wrong with fans playing around with it after-wards. The outcome of Hercules was also already set, to a certain degree. The Greek myths are well-entrenched into Western society. Hercules was naive and it was always getting him into trouble. Many of us here have had horrible experiences with some Disney fan bases and we've been bashed and banned for trying to have rational discussions about things. This board was created in response to one of those bad experiences. We don't want TSG turning into one of those places. All viewpoints are welcome, we just ask that they be presented in as calm a manner as possible and to be respectful of differing opinions. whoa, there's fourms that actually ban people for being peaceful? luckily I've never been to a fourm like that yet. are you sure herc was naive in original mythology? he didn't seem naive to me in the actual myth |
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Post by Coral on Aug 17, 2010 14:05:29 GMT -5
Yeah, forums like that do exist. I was banned from one for sticking up for the Broadway musical in a very polite way and pointing out the fallacies in the admin's argument for why it was the worst idea Disney's ever had.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 17, 2010 15:24:08 GMT -5
Yeah, forums like that do exist. I was banned from one for sticking up for the Broadway musical in a very polite way and pointing out the fallacies in the admin's argument for why it was the worst idea Disney's ever had. Blech. And I chose to leave after that particular admin wrote a message to the board that was blatantly attacking people for liking certain aspects of the fandom that she didn't. I didn't mind the admin not liking the show or certain charries, but she was poinltessly mean and thought of her opinions as fact, but mostly she was being mean to my friends. If she would have been like "eh, not my thing." it would have been way more understandable. Anyway, we're at a nicer place, and want the atmisphere to stay friendly . Megarafan, I have to say I'm not that fimilar with the myth of Hercules. I know he was sent into a fit of rage from Hera, and ended up killing Meg and their kids, then had to do all these heroic deeds to make up for his sins. But I can't give you any huge details. I'm more into Troy if anything *loves Hector* |
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 17, 2010 17:36:02 GMT -5
whoa, there's fourms that actually ban people for being peaceful? luckily I've never been to a fourm like that yet. They most certainly do exist. Not only that, people can get banned just based on a different opinion, peaceful or not. I've seen it happen a lot, which is why board owners tend to be careful when chossing mods now. |
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