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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 30, 2010 17:51:48 GMT -5
Actually what happened with the Aladdin sequels is ROJ was originally going to be the multi-part pilot to the TV series, and the same crew was given charge of KOT (which came out a year after the series ended) though they were apparently told to distance it from the series (which didn't stop them from sneaking in a few cameos).
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Post by Coral on Jul 30, 2010 22:53:46 GMT -5
Interesting. King of Thieves is hands down my fave animated sequel movie.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 30, 2010 23:16:14 GMT -5
Interesting. King of Thieves is hands down my fave animated sequel movie. agreed |
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 3, 2010 2:26:10 GMT -5
Well, even though I don't think Ariel should be with Jim, he's probably better than Eric anyway lol..
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Post by Coral on Aug 3, 2010 16:49:51 GMT -5
LOL! Them's fighting words, Dan. Remember where you are.  |
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Post by WickedElphie on Aug 3, 2010 19:22:45 GMT -5
I have to disagree with ya Dan. Jim's a little emotionally turbulent, impulsive, and hot-headed, i.e. too much like Ariel for me to see them as viable. To me couples do need to have some things in common, but there also needs to be some balancing traits too. Relationships are a kind of partnership after all, and in my mind, ideally one member should be able to pick up the other's slack, and vice-versa.
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 4, 2010 0:00:16 GMT -5
LOL! Them's fighting words, Dan. Remember where you are. I have insurance  Well, I didn't say that she should be with Jim, but I don't think Eric deserves her either. I would have to think about who she should be with. |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 4, 2010 1:06:06 GMT -5
Dan, you can have your opinion but I have to disagree. To add onto what Jess said, I don't see Ariel as being able to learn anything from Jim, or him from her. If there was a conflict I don't see either expressing it in the way it wouldn't come off as just confrotational.
Her and her father fought a lot, cause they were a lot alike. They loved each other but had to bridge a lot of gaps and at the end and imho, because they didn't live as close to each other is when their relationship improved. I can expect to fight with my mom or dad. But speaking as a girl who's always identified with Ariel- you don't want someone that adds more drama, and to have a balence.
You can not like Eric if you want, but can you elaborate on why you don't think he deserved her? He went through a lot to be with her, fighting a witch, excepting her as a mermaid. And he was genuinely kind to people and brave. I hear arguments Ariel didn't derserver him cause "she wanted him for his looks and he wanted love and saved her life" which I don't think is true either..
You can not like him, but at least give a fair assessment on why xD
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Post by megarafan on Aug 4, 2010 11:49:04 GMT -5
LOL! Them's fighting words, Dan. Remember where you are. I have insurance Well, I didn't say that she should be with Jim, but I don't think Eric deserves her either. I would have to think about who she should be with. I agree I don't ship ariel with eric or jim. I perosnally ship her with hercules. i just find ariel/hercules so cute! |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 4, 2010 13:25:31 GMT -5
Hercules is a lot like Eric, only has super strength and is more naive. I don't see him and Ariel as a long term relationship working out. A puppy love thing, yeah, but both have too many similar flaws for me to find all that interesting or to make it. Do you just prefer Hercules cause you like him better appearance wise? Just wondering is all.
And if the film makers wanted Ariel with Jim or Hercules the film makers would have made it that way. To act like you know better then the people who created them isn't something I can back. jmho ^^
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Aug 4, 2010 13:31:03 GMT -5
And if the film makers wanted Ariel with Jim or Hercules the film makers would have made it that way. To act like you know better then the people who created them isn't something I can back. jmho ^^ This. Anyways, I too would like to hear folks' reasoning as to why Eric doesn't deserve Ariel. |
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Post by DanTheMan on Aug 4, 2010 18:26:36 GMT -5
Dan, you can have your opinion but I have to disagree. To add onto what Jess said, I don't see Ariel as being able to learn anything from Jim, or him from her. If there was a conflict I don't see either expressing it in the way it wouldn't come off as just confrotational. I could've sworn I just said that Jim shoudn't be with her lol.. Her and her father fought a lot, cause they were a lot alike. They loved each other but had to bridge a lot of gaps and at the end and imho, because they didn't live as close to each other is when their relationship improved. I can expect to fight with my mom or dad. But speaking as a girl who's always identified with Ariel- you don't want someone that adds more drama, and to have a balence. Very true, but I don't think Eric/Ariel is quite balanced. You can not like Eric if you want, but can you elaborate on why you don't think he deserved her? He went through a lot to be with her, fighting a witch, excepting her as a mermaid. And he was genuinely kind to people and brave. I hear arguments Ariel didn't derserver him cause "she wanted him for his looks and he wanted love and saved her life" which I don't think is true either.. Guess I'm not given much time to think lol.... Anyway, I don't think he deserved her simply because they're too different, at least from my view. Even though Ariel did want him for his looks, it's not hard to blame her, because that's how most people view things. It changed later on as their relationship grew. However, I just don't think they belong together. Of course, there could be a worse matchup, but I think they're could be a better one. You can not like him, but at least give a fair assessment on why xD Well, I did say I had to think about it , and I think I did now. |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 4, 2010 20:27:17 GMT -5
LOL, you said you 'had to think about who would be better', and that he was 'probably better' so I was just adding more of my assessment I still find it boring when people are too much alike in relationships. You can't learn anything from them. Might I also add that Ariel finding Eric handsome actually has more depth then most write it off. Most of the other merpeople would probably be like "EW! A *human*? Are you joking?" I see it as being the equivalent to a rich white girl in the South during the 50's thinking a black guy was handsome. So yeah, she thought he was cute at first, but she was also willing to look past her culture's prejudices in that sense too. Anyway, they were married after twelve years and still were shown to love each other. Also from the time you saw them hanging out in the movie, they got along well and had fun together. LOL. Again. you're still free to dislike him, but don't you think you may be looking at it from your view of him rather then what Ariel would think? |
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Post by megarafan on Aug 4, 2010 20:30:13 GMT -5
well actually i find eric cuter than hercules. also hercules has more differences from eric than just being more naive,very kind to the point where he could be considred a push-over. he's also shy unlike Eric, and Eric is more of a dreamer. I don't know if there's more idffernces perosnality since Eric's personality wasn't that well developed in the movies.
also the reason why I'm not a fan of ariel/eric is that Ariel tries to get into a relationship with Eric without getting to know him first. Plus their relationship in 2nd movie was boring, and there wasn't much chemistry going obetween the two even though they were married.
I don't ship hercules/meg either, since meg is too different than Hercules. She's sarcastic,very street-wise, and mischevous. Hercules needs someone nicer, naive(well, Ariel can naive at times), and more caring.Even though I don't ship herc/meg , I don't ship meg/hades, or phil/meg either.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 4, 2010 20:44:54 GMT -5
Actually Eric *was* shy. Did you notice how much more out-going Ariel was when she was taking him on a tour of the kingdom. How nervous he was to talk to her in the ship? Also how he really didn't like the statue that idolized him as a ruler. Also he hung out with sailors rather other nobles. Also, Eric had a dreamy side, but he was more about his duties. He didn't take off to sail around the world, he knew his place as a ruler. Hercules dreamed of being a hero. But I've also been writing Eric for the last three years so I notice more things then most people do. Again, you need to understand the film makers had only 83 mintues to tell a story and kept in things they felt were relivent and poinent. Remember what Racel said about Ariel's state of mind? Oh, and the whole ship/storm scene is basically "see how awesome and perfect for Ariel Eric is": 1) Musical and playful, loves animals, modest, looking for love, and brave. Yeah and, the film was only 90 minutes long because it was basically a test/gamble for continuing animation, hence some things being less developed than they could and the quick ending The film makers make these pairs the way they are for a reason. They spent months sometimes years working out the details between them. The second movie was just terrible. I loved Mel and the few moments Ariel and Eric did have. I need to also point out the movie wasn't about that, like at all. It was a rushed plot in reverse of the first movie. I happen to like Meg and Hercules together and don't think she's as nasty of a person most people think she is. Did you notice even by the end of the movie how much she had softened up? She needed someone to just be kind and selfless to her. |
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Post by megarafan on Aug 4, 2010 23:46:48 GMT -5
Actually Eric *was* shy. Did you notice how much more out-going Ariel was when she was taking him on a tour of the kingdom. How nervous he was to talk to her in the ship? Also how he really didn't like the statue that idolized him as a ruler. Also he hung out with sailors rather other nobles. Also, Eric had a dreamy side, but he was more about his duties. He didn't take off to sail around the world, he knew his place as a ruler. Hercules dreamed of being a hero. But I've also been writing Eric for the last three years so I notice more things then most people do. Again, you need to understand the film makers had only 83 mintues to tell a story and kept in things they felt were relivent and poinent. Remember what Racel said about Ariel's state of mind? Oh, and the whole ship/storm scene is basically "see how awesome and perfect for Ariel Eric is": 1) Musical and playful, loves animals, modest, looking for love, and brave. Yeah and, the film was only 90 minutes long because it was basically a test/gamble for continuing animation, hence some things being less developed than they could and the quick ending The film makers make these pairs the way they are for a reason. They spent months sometimes years working out the details between them. The second movie was just terrible. I loved Mel and the few moments Ariel and Eric did have. I need to also point out the movie wasn't about that, like at all. It was a rushed plot in reverse of the first movie. I happen to like Meg and Hercules together and don't think she's as nasty of a person most people think she is. Did you notice even by the end of the movie how much she had softened up? She needed someone to just be kind and selfless to her. well i don't view eric as shy because of that. He just barely meet her and she wasn't talking , many people don't talk much to people they don't know even if they aren't shy. I know meg soften-up but she's not enough for herc in my opinion. to be honest there's other guys i think that suit meg well besides speedy, Eric is one of them, since Eric is less naive than hercules, plus he's not as shy as herc. |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 4, 2010 23:55:32 GMT -5
He still didn't like attention, which is a shy person thing to do. Also, the purpose of the day out was to have fun and get to know the other better. Not talking much to a person you're supposed to be hanging out with would just be rude, unless you were really nervous. which he clearly was from the things he said and his expressions ^^
I can see Eric and Meg AU working. But again. I think the movie makers got it right with how they set things up. AU shipping is fun for fanfics and rps when its kept IC, meaning the origanal love interest isn't present.
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Post by megarafan on Aug 5, 2010 0:35:13 GMT -5
He still didn't like attention, which is a shy person thing to do. Also, the purpose of the day out was to have fun and get to know the other better. Not talking much to a person you're supposed to be hanging out with would just be rude, unless you were really nervous. which he clearly was from the things he said and his expressions ^^ I can see Eric and Meg AU working. But again. I think the movie makers got it right with how they set things up. AU shipping is fun for fanfics and rps when its kept IC, meaning the origanal love interest isn't present. Me personally i don't always agree with who the movie makers decide who's a couple who's not. That's just me though |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 5, 2010 0:53:48 GMT -5
But they are the ones who created them. Don't you think they'd be in touch with their personalities and what they're looking for?  |
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Post by megarafan on Aug 5, 2010 14:44:38 GMT -5
in some cases yes but other cases no. sometimes the movie maker doesn't pair the hcracter up with the right person. one example is in the hunchback of notre dame. disney put esmeralda with phoebus, and i wonder what they were thinking when they did that. Those two are so not compatible for each other, but i don't think anyone in HOND is perfect for her. She should've stayed single in the movie
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