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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 26, 2010 21:43:04 GMT -5
Whoops! Sorry I didn't see you posted about the different types of intelligences before I replied xD
My point about Meg is that I think by that time she got together with Herc she just wanted someone kind and genuine. Something she hadn't encountered in a long time. LOL, I'm not a Bella Swann fan either, I'll admit. But Snow White is so early and over all a very sweet film for the time. I can't really knock Disney characters, though xD
I like balence in relationships more so then complete opposites persay. Where they can learn from each other is the main thing I look for. When its too much of the same character traits and opinions it doesn't hold my interest. ^^
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jul 26, 2010 22:23:35 GMT -5
As for couplings, I agree I find couples who are too similar are rather dull. However, characters who are too vastly different are iffy to me too (tho that depends on the chars in question). So balance in a pairing is something that I go for too. I can understand why Snow White's behavior would annoy some, but then again, you really can't knock Snow White for not being like Meg or Esme. That was what was expected of women in the 1930s. Same thing for the medieval setting the film employed. And well, she was knocked out by a poison apple, so I don't think she was in a position to do much of anything.  |
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Post by megarafan on Jul 26, 2010 23:54:33 GMT -5
Well Snow White shouldn't of accepted the apple from the witch. I admit i can be a feminist is which why I don't like chracters like snow white and Bella
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jul 27, 2010 8:45:35 GMT -5
Um, how exactly was Snow White supposed to know that the crone was really the Evil Queen in the first place? It wasn't like she had psychic powers or something.
Secondly, Snow accepting the apple is how the original tale and variations of it went. I have the feeling that were the writers to change that element, then pple would complain about that too. I'm a feminist myself, but to be quite honest, I think it's rather silly that characters like Snow White and Cinderella get bashed constantly these days. I can understand why perhaps Snow wouldn't be a favorite of someone, and that's fine, but you can't deny that without Snow White, the rest of the Disney princesses and heroines and arguably Disney itself wouldn't even exist in the first place.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 27, 2010 10:03:01 GMT -5
LOL. Yeah, I agree with Nicole. To me being a feminist is about supporting women, not tearing them down ^^
The reason I don't like Bella is because she strikes me as a very selfish character who doesn't appreciate the people around here. If she was a genuinely nice girl who was naturally sensitive I'd be way more understanding of her passiveness.
Snow is deffinitely not one of my faves, but she would have been a pretty normal girl for that time, and is unfailiingly kind, which again I can't knock anyone for that.
The reason we knew the old hag was bad in Snow White was because we were watching it. Most of the Disney heroes and heriones hang around with the villain before knowing they're "bad".
The same thing applies to Eric in TLM. There was no real way for him to remember Ariel exactally after seeing her for a whole fifteen seconds after being in a blast and almost drowning. Its pretty amazing that he would actually be able to recall that much of her.
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Post by Coral on Jul 27, 2010 12:06:28 GMT -5
Thanks, Jodi. It's getting easier and the good days outnumber the bad. But piecing my dreams back together is going to take a long time.
When opposites attract, there's more room for conflict. Conflict is what makes a story good. Without it there is no story.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 27, 2010 14:05:26 GMT -5
yep, and belle/the beast is an example of iopposutes attract.
I know Bella is selfish, but I also hate that she depnds on guys way too much
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 27, 2010 16:08:14 GMT -5
I admit I have I soft spot for Snow. One big thing about her character, besides the fact that her film was made in the 1930, is that she's meant to be fourteen years old or so and grew up sheltered. She's still a kid in a lot of ways, and is genuinely compassionate and sweet.
And while housework is a 'traditional' woman's role, I like that she's wiling to roll up her sleeves and get the job done. She's not afraid of hard work. And again, she's not expecting the Dwarfs to pamper her. She's more taking care of them-doing the chores and cooking while they're at work in exchange for staying.
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Post by Coral on Jul 28, 2010 12:24:58 GMT -5
I have a soft spot for Snow White too. It's the only movie I've ever seen in a theater with my grandmother, who remembered going to see it when it first came out. It was a groundbreaking film in so many ways. It quite literally made Disney. Without Snow White, none of the other characters we love would exist. Heck, we wouldn't even know each other because The Walt Disney Company would not exist!
Snow White is best viewed through the lens of her time period. She is the 1930's ideal of feminine beauty. The Prince is drawn the way he is because makeup was still transitioning from silent film to what we know now. That's what men in movies looked like at the time animation started. What Jess said is true too. She's a hard worker. She's not afraid to get dirty. That's an admirable trait in any person IMO.
The Queen did what all Disney villains do. She took advantage of Snow White in a very vulnerable moment. That's what makes her a villain. Ursula took advantage of Ariel and Eric. Hades took advantage of Meg. Maleficent took advantage of Aurora, Phillip and her parents. Gaston took advantage of Beast in a vulnerable moment. That's what makes them villains and that's why we love to hate them. Because it could happen to us too.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 28, 2010 18:38:17 GMT -5
Well yeah i know that villians are sneaky but if stranger offered i wouldn't accept it. Well I'm just very cautious sometimes
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Post by Coral on Jul 29, 2010 10:51:44 GMT -5
That's very true. But think about how different things are today. We don't accept things from strangers because God only knows what could be in it. It wasn't that way in the 30's, so kids then didn't think it was odd for Snow White to be accepting an apple from a stranger.
It also wouldn't have been odd for the time the story took place in. One can't look at historical events through the lens of today. We have to try to look at it as they would have seen it then. The way we think today is just as foreign to the people who lived in the 30's as their way of thinking is to us.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 29, 2010 11:59:29 GMT -5
That's very true. But think about how different things are today. We don't accept things from strangers because God only knows what could be in it. It wasn't that way in the 30's, so kids then didn't think it was odd for Snow White to be accepting an apple from a stranger. It also wouldn't have been odd for the time the story took place in. One can't look at historical events through the lens of today. We have to try to look at it as they would have seen it then. The way we think today is just as foreign to the people who lived in the 30's as their way of thinking is to us. I never thought of that when watching snow white. You guys convinced me to not hate on snow white as much. I admit i'm not that familliar with 1920's & 1930's culture, but you taught me some things about their culture. |
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Post by Coral on Jul 29, 2010 14:01:24 GMT -5
Yay!
A lot of people who hate Snow White have never stopped to think about how she was viewed by the people who saw the movie when it was new. History is my favorite thing in the whole world and I write historical fiction, so it's part of my mission to expand understanding about the way people thought in the old days.
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Post by megarafan on Jul 29, 2010 14:15:25 GMT -5
ok i like history too, but i prefer ancient civilizations. I know more about the cradle of civlizations era than any other era in history
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Post by ArielFan on Jul 30, 2010 13:24:25 GMT -5
Lastly ,Ariel in the 3rd movie fights for the right for merfolk to make music and when she gets what she wants, she doesn't attend the concerts tritons hosts. I thought wow when she wanted music so much and then when she gets it ,she doesn't use her freedom to sing. Maybe it's just me but I can't take anything that happened in TLM3 seriously, except maybe the explanation for why Ariel doesn't have a mom in the first movie. I can't take it seriously because they didn't keep with the story or personalities for characters they already had going in the original movie and the TV show, like the fact that we see Ariel met flounder in the TV show and then they go and make up a totally new way that they met just for TLM 3. I like the TLM 3, it's cute and I think the animation quality is better then TLM2 but I really wouldn't take it too seriously since it contradicts with what has already been established. |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 30, 2010 13:41:54 GMT -5
Lastly ,Ariel in the 3rd movie fights for the right for merfolk to make music and when she gets what she wants, she doesn't attend the concerts tritons hosts. I thought wow when she wanted music so much and then when she gets it ,she doesn't use her freedom to sing. Maybe it's just me but I can't take anything that happened in TLM3 seriously, except maybe the explanation for why Ariel doesn't have a mom in the first movie. I can't take it seriously because they didn't keep with the story or personalities for characters they already had going in the original movie and the TV show, like the fact that we see Ariel met flounder in the TV show and then they go and make up a totally new way that they met just for TLM 3. I like the TLM 3, it's cute and I think the animation quality is better then TLM2 but I really wouldn't take it too seriously since it contradicts with what has already been established. Those are my thoughts about TLM3 too. I mean were they too lazy to look through archive?  It really wouldn't have been that hard. Also, I feel like Ariel would have been fasinated by humans a lot longer then the show makes it out to be, but that's just me. Also, in the first movie it was Ariel's first concert she was supposed to be performing at xD She does love to sing, Triton out-lawing music of all things is a pretty rediculous concept in itself to me. Why not out-law the color orange too? Or anyone being named 'Bob'. I just think Ariel's really adventurous and speaking as the youngest of a big family at that age I was a lot like that and got distracted by things I liked/wanted to do, but it didn't mean I didn't care about my family ya know ^^ |
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Post by megarafan on Jul 30, 2010 14:34:42 GMT -5
I know, and I wonder if different people made the 3rd movie since it contridicts the 1st movie and TV series.
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Post by Coral on Jul 30, 2010 14:44:42 GMT -5
I don't think Disney counts any TV shows when they're doing sequels. The only exception to that is Aladdin because those two came out at the same time as the show.
I do like TLM 3, but I have to totally separate it from everything else. It doesn't mesh with any established timelines and it even gets the birth order wrong. Aquata is the oldest, not Attina!
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 30, 2010 16:31:39 GMT -5
But WHY didn't the people bother to do their homework? It was cute, but I didn't love TLM3. To just change character's personalities for the sake of a story isn't cool to me. TLM2 isn't a good movie to me. Some things I like about it but for the most part I'd like to burn it but save Melody and put her in a different movie where she falls in love with Belle and Beast's son xD
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Post by megarafan on Jul 30, 2010 17:29:44 GMT -5
well yeah i thought tlm 3 was alright(it has good clips for vidding in it) but tlm2 was disappointing. I can't see Ariel becoming just like her dad.
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It really wouldn't have been that hard. Also, I feel like Ariel would have been fasinated by humans a lot longer then the show makes it out to be, but that's just me.