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Post by fathomsbelow on Jul 30, 2009 15:01:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree. So is anyone up for a new topic? Has anyone read a fanfic where Eric was really mischaracterized? I mean like..way off base? This fanfic irks me: www.fanfiction.net/s/3454120/1/FantasyIt's rated T just so you know..the first chapter explains why  . I stopped reading after the first chapter..the second one was just as unbearable. |
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Post by Coral on Jul 30, 2009 15:49:14 GMT -5
Oh. My. Gawd. Even without the terrible slaughter of Eric that's terrible! I think we need some new brain bleach...
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 30, 2009 20:36:27 GMT -5
Please know I'm saying this without tooting my own horn, but as someone who's gotten a lot of compliments and reveiws on TTWPF on ff.net. I think it's my duty to tell the author what I think of that LOL. Normally I don't leave reviews for fics I don't like. Because usually the ones I don't like are from authors who tend to Marysue certain charries to the max, and the end result is them NOT listening to what I have to say in the beggining. I'm frustaed by people who don't listen. Bleh Edit: here's the reveiew I submitted LOLz " I need to be frank One- Mulan was from Ancient China, there's no way she be around in Ariel's time unless it was by a magical force. Two- You put most of your own thoughts into a character rather than what they would think or feel. In writing like this it's extra important to try and get inside your character's head. Three- I don't have a problem with people mixing it up with pairs (Heck, I do it, and even have a slash planned) But I seriously dislike when people don't use an AU setting where the other half of the cannon couple is present. For one, I don't buy it. Ariel and Eric clearly love each other as displayed by the film. People who risk everything to be together are not going to throw it away so easily, ya know? lolz I think you have a lot of potential, but please try and keep things in character in the future  " |
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Post by Zavi on Jul 30, 2009 20:39:33 GMT -5
As I get to the first lines, I think: WTF?!
Read through the passage, getting more miffed by the minute, get a few paragraphs in---
BRAIN BLEACH! I NEED MY BRAIN BLEACH!
I think we ran out from that other creepy fanfic waaaay back. -fetches a new jug- Extra large, anyone? -passes around cups-
I could forgive inexperienced writing, but...how is it possible to just garble a character like that? Who is this jerk and what in the world has he done with Eric? Let me know when the real Prince Eric gets back. I'd enjoy seeing him toss this impostor out a window.
I've seen lots of horrible misinterpretations of Eric, some in fic, some not. Mostly it's the belief that he has commitment issues, is some kind of womanizer, and that he's weak-willed overall. A big pansy. -headdesk-
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Post by fathomsbelow on Jul 30, 2009 20:49:23 GMT -5
Brain Bleach is good. Yeah, he or she totally butchered Eric without giving him a proper burial I mean, it doesn't make one grain of sense-- if Eric was a womanizer, why pray tell, did he spend all his time looking for the girl who rescued him when he could have any princess he wanted? And why would he fight Ursula? He could have just stayed on his nice little wedding ship sipping tea. Seriously..I do wonder what was going through this person's mind when they wrote this. |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 30, 2009 20:54:26 GMT -5
Brain Bleach is good. Yeah, he or she totally butchered Eric without giving him a proper burial I mean, it doesn't make one grain of sense-- if Eric was a womanizer, why pray tell, did he spend all his time looking for the girl who rescued him when he could have any princess he wanted? And why would he fight Ursula? He could have just stayed on his nice little wedding ship sipping tea. Seriously..I do wonder what was going through this person's mind when they wrote this. This is what I refer to as not paying attention to details. LOL I realy hope they take my reveiw to heart and not think I was trying to be mean. But the truth is I want everyone to be the best writter they can be if it's in their heart. It's just ANNOYING when half-assed efforts are made in order to satisfy an author's own fantsies/grudges LOL |
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Post by Coral on Jul 30, 2009 22:08:06 GMT -5
It is annoying when people do that! Totally agree with ya, Jodi.
Where on earth do these people pick out these womanizer qualities in him anyway? I just don't get it. I don't see it anywhere in his character. It just totally blows my mind.
A weak-willed person doesn't take on a 100 foot tall octopus with a trident who's intent on blowing you to kingdom come. I think it takes a lot of guts to go after the youngest daughter of the sea king.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jul 30, 2009 23:22:30 GMT -5
It's SOOOO stupid to me too, Rachel. I'll say it before and I'll say it again (as people at LAF got pissed off at me for, but I don't care, cause I know I'm right lol)
When people write this way, it's not only annoying in the aspect that people DON'T pay attention to the character's personalities. And for what ever *weird* reason have sort hatred of a person that doesn't even exist. But it's the blatant ignorance that's all to present in this world that irritates me.
I mean, Ariel WANTED to be a human. I'm sure she'd miss her the sea from time to time. But one of her clear flaws was that she would let her heart get in front of her head. Anyone who writes about Ariel wanting to go back into the ocean, or a story like this is placing their OWN opinions into it. Not what the character wants.
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 31, 2009 0:15:07 GMT -5
Wordy Mcwordword to everybody. When people talk about disliking Eric as a character, I can understand them saying he's underdeveloped or indecisive, even if I don't necessarily agree, but I don't get the idea of writing him as a womanizer at all. If anything his romantic flaws lie in the opposite direction i.e. it takes him along time to admit romantic feelings and more importantly act on those feelings.
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Post by fathomsbelow on Jul 31, 2009 10:46:42 GMT -5
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Post by Coral on Jul 31, 2009 11:53:43 GMT -5
I love that piece! Have for years.
I think sometimes that all these "fans" who think Eric is indecisive have no real grasp of character creation, or even a good grasp of relationships with real people in real life. He is not indecisive according to the dictionary definition of the word. I think he tends to evaluate every possible outcome of the decision. Going after Ariel without stopping to think about it was a major turning point for his character.
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Post by WickedElphie on Jul 31, 2009 13:53:10 GMT -5
Rosa's stuff is absolutely amazing. And I'm proud to say that that particular one-shot was inspired by a plot-bunny I mentioned when reviewing "Enough" (the prequel piece).
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Post by Aquanaut on Jul 31, 2009 15:55:02 GMT -5
I have no idea why I haven't posted in this thread yet! *feels dumb* Here I am fellow Eric Enthusiasts! xD
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Post by Zavi on Jul 31, 2009 20:37:02 GMT -5
Mmmhmm, Rosa is a goddess. 'Nuff said. I just about died when I read Coldness and Burning. And on Valentines Day, too!
It's weird because Eric was such a leap from Disney princedom and people think him just as air-headed as "The Prince" or Charming. -scratches head- There's no doubt he was less fleshed-out than Herc or Tarzan, but he had a solid conflict and a unique personality.
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Post by Coral on Aug 1, 2009 11:57:17 GMT -5
If it hadn't been for Eric and the success of TLM, princes like Beast, Aladdin, and Herc and Tarzan would never have come into existence. I think Eric proved that a Disney prince *could* have a personality and be more than a piece of cardboard.
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Post by WickedElphie on Aug 1, 2009 12:39:08 GMT -5
Exactly. Eric was a huge progression from the original three (even poor Phillip, who is a step up from the two nameless ones in that he faces a villain and has *some* personality, inexplicably stops talking once he's captured by Malificient). Not to mention all of the later examples are title characters, where the movies are *their* stories. There's a big difference in screentime priorities. Also TLM is a very short movie, barely clocking in at 90 minutes. There isn't time to spell out every character nuance. BUT if you watch Eric's first two scenes, they're pretty much devoted to showing him as a good match for Ariel. In the 'party' scene you get: playful, likes to dance, and kind to animals (the jig), not arrogant (his reaction to the statue), looking for love ("she's out there somewhere"), brave (helping out in the storm sequence), and will risk his life for the people he cares about (saving Max). IMO that's a nice resume right there.  |
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Post by fathomsbelow on Aug 1, 2009 13:41:10 GMT -5
Exactly. Eric was a huge progression from the original three (even poor Phillip, who is a step up from the two nameless ones in that he faces a villain and has *some* personality, inexplicably stops talking once he's captured by Malificient). Not to mention all of the later examples are title characters, where the movies are *their* stories. There's a big difference in screentime priorities. Also TLM is a very short movie, barely clocking in at 90 minutes. There isn't time to spell out every character nuance. BUT if you watch Eric's first two scenes, they're pretty much devoted to showing him as a good match for Ariel. In the 'party' scene you get: playful, likes to dance, and kind to animals (the jig), not arrogant (his reaction to the statue), looking for love ("she's out there somewhere"), brave (helping out in the storm sequence), and will risk his life for the people he cares about (saving Max). IMO that's a nice resume right there. Agreed. If only some people would realize this( stupid RPG Ariel *bangs head against desk*--now she's getting married to Pan, about to take over Atlantica with him, and Triton doesn't care --if anyone had a clear head I'd think it'd be him ). Why is it so impossible for me to find an RPG site with a sane Ariel? Seriously, I don't know if I'm a bad Eric or what . Oh and there is a Jasmine, but I'm sort of hesitant because I don't know if Eric would just sit there and watch Ariel get married to someone else( *cringe* ) since he's still in love with her. Especially since I gave him a deadline to get married so he can become the king. But I agree that Eric really is a step up from the earlier princes. He really paved the way for heroes like Beast and Hercules, much in the same way Ariel paved the way for Belle and Jasmine. |
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Post by Coral on Aug 1, 2009 14:43:50 GMT -5
Sounds like that RPG is destroying two characters. Pan would NEVER do that! I have a hard enough time buying his motivation for Hook, never mind this RPG Pan. Geez!
I doubt you're a bad Eric. Sounds more like a serious case of imposing one's own wishes onto the character instead of staying true to the character.
That is a nice resume, Jess! That alone is more than enough to build a solid character on.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 1, 2009 16:09:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I honestly don't care if the whole world loves him. Some people just like more elaborate charres, and we all like what we like But I don't see the hatred, it's just pointless and stupid. Not to mention I haven't heard a solid argument for all the ranting against him. Honeslty if you're that hostel to a fictional character you need to GET A LIFE! (fangirling is different, it's positive and doesn't screw up my friendships LOL) I'm sorry Melissa  That really sucks you have a crappy Ariel, complete with crappy mods to boot! I've been blessed with Kelly (Aquanut) who has Ariel down pat. And I mean ARIEL. lolz Not to mention you've been a awesome Eric from what I've read of your's. It's not your fault LOL P.M. Jasmine, though make sure Al isn't in the picture, since I love him too and don't want his heart-broken as well. Ooh! Jess you know I love that resume. Hee! Yes, it's true, Ariel/Eric paved the way for future disney charries. I always say Eric was the first "nerd" prince kind of like Peter Parker was the first "nerd" superhero. And I love them both for it LOL |
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Post by Zavi on Aug 1, 2009 16:14:15 GMT -5
-grumbles- Can I rip my hair out, please?
Though this does make me appreciate the wonderful library we have here. I can't thank all of y'all enough for feeding my incurable TLM addiction doing the characters justice. Because FFN is one big slushpile! -screams-
Okay. I'm calm.
One thing I'd really like to know is how the crew members got the characters the way they were--was it mostly Ron n' John or did the animators play a big part in fleshing these guys out? Or both?
And amen to Jess with Eric's fabulous use of his screentime. All Disney princes are brave in some way, but Eric was passionate for things other than a pretty face.
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. I stopped reading after the first chapter..the second one was just as unbearable.
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That really sucks you have a crappy Ariel, complete with crappy mods to boot! I've been blessed with Kelly (Aquanut) who has Ariel down pat. And I mean ARIEL. lolz