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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Apr 7, 2010 23:24:49 GMT -5
That does sound fun! I'd love to see 'mirror-verse' takes on the other characters as well. Though after reading Frida's idea, I did think about Evil-Eric having some sort of nasty dog to compliment/aid him as well as be the total opposite of Max, perhaps one like this cane corso: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/37/CaneCorso_(23).jpg Just a suggestion tho, so totally feel free to ignore it. XD |
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Post by Coral on Apr 8, 2010 11:48:26 GMT -5
That is a beautiful dog!
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Post by Zavi on Apr 8, 2010 20:23:24 GMT -5
Oooh, I like this mirror-verse, of course.  It gets witchy the chance to be a fiercely loyal healer, guardian of the seas. And--what, she's being *sweet*? Hehe! I'm not the right girl to talk to when it comes to "bad animals"--really, is there a such thing? What a pretty puppy that is. |
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Post by WickedElphie on Apr 8, 2010 22:28:22 GMT -5
Being a Fantasy/Scifi girl at heart I *adore* alternate universes and "Mirrored" ones especially. And yeah BadEric would be a very interesting guy. I like the idea of him fully embracing his wealth as opposed to shunning it given that it would make *so* much sense with his values being flipped on their head. I especially liked the touch you mentioned in an IM about BEric *loving* the statue.
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Post by Coral on Apr 9, 2010 12:00:09 GMT -5
Oh yes! He would definitely love the stupid statue. It'd pump up his ego.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Apr 9, 2010 17:35:53 GMT -5
Can you imagine C.D Barnes doing a more sinister voice over, with Adam Pascal doing a "Be Prepared/ Friends on the Other Side" song *swoons*
I don't want him to think what he's doing is "evil" just that he was raised by a bad guy that placed importance in that you were either powerless or poweful. Also, what sealed the decision to kill B!King was all the years of sh*t he took from him. He paid his dues, he was not going to let it be ripped away from him.
BTW, The pirates would totally be like the hyenas for him. He'd After all he wouldn't want to get his hands dirty or be pointed as blame. So they'd do the dirty deeds for him while he let them do as thet pleased in his kingdom when they ported with all the rum and wenchs they could ask for, as long as they followed his orders.. But he'd also have the royal military at his comand. Yeah... you wouldn't want to mess with him.
I really like that dog idea Nicole! That perticular one too. I imagined that B!Eric would have an eery calmness and composure to him, even when his dog is eating someone's leg or making threats "Oh don't let Maxwell bother you, he's such a playful canine" *pets his pooch approvingly*
Wow can you imagine a doggy as smart as Max but nasty as can be 0_o
B!Eric's temper would pop in small spurts, but when it gets more towards the end. Oh boy...
If he ever met Good!Ariel, he'd totally have a weird thing for her, but over all his affection would be for B!Ariel in a twisted way xD
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Post by Zavi on Apr 10, 2010 20:44:09 GMT -5
Can you imagine C.D Barnes doing a more sinister voice over, with Adam Pascal doing a "Be Prepared/ Friends on the Other Side" song *swoons* Win. Are any more words needed? Oh, and I *love* his motivation. I totally remember saying B!Eric was the only villain I ever hated--that's a lie. I can't do it. I can't hate him. |
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Apr 10, 2010 23:05:37 GMT -5
Thanks, Frida. The cane corso is a breed native to Italy, and it's rather fierce-looking IMHO (forgive me fellow dog-lovers), so I thought one would fit B!Eric. Maxwell would be pretty… well, scary. LOL. B! Eric sitting on his throne stroking Maxwell and smirking at some hapless victim just entered my mind. He sounds almost like a James Bond villain! B! Eric not wanting to get his hands dirty really fits. Would Grimsby still be his right-hand man, like maybe his head torturer or interrogator or something if B!Eric needs some info about something? Oooh, I like this mirror-verse, of course. It gets witchy the chance to be a fiercely loyal healer, guardian of the seas. And--what, she's being *sweet*? That's a really interesting approach on a good Ursula. Someone needs to make all this into a fic or something. XD |
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Post by WickedElphie on Jun 15, 2010 0:54:15 GMT -5
So, wanting to start conversation up, any pet peeves of the horrific characterization he gets in fanfics? My number one is when anybody makes him out to be arrogant because that's blatantly contradicting the film (See-Statue Scene). I don't mind portraying Eric as a well-rounded flawed human being, because he does have flaws, but mindless bashing, especially when it makes no sense bothers me soooooo much.
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Post by Coral on Jun 15, 2010 14:10:10 GMT -5
The arrogance is definitely the big one. Where on earth do they find that in him?
Also, the blind stupidity that he often portrays. He's not stupid. He had a spell cast on him!
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jun 15, 2010 15:38:34 GMT -5
*snarls* Yes, I HATE both of those!
If anything Eric is a bit of a nerd. He overthinks, (probably would be a really good student), can't really talk to the girl he likes that well, and he's not all that confident.
Some people are immature little trolls who go the Mary Sue route rather then actually *think* form a character's POV
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Post by Aquisha on Jun 15, 2010 21:09:34 GMT -5
I think my biggest pet peeve is just the ruination of his character and making him do things that are completely ridiculous. I started one story where Eric got mad at Ariel and proceeded to curse her out!!! I was so done. Not only is that OOC but it's also out of Disney! I mean, I'm all for making the characters more realistic and enhancing the scope of their dialogue but verbal domestic abuse is something else entirely. Now in contrast to that, I don't know if anyone here has read Ariel's Journey but the author is able to take the characters to very unorthodox places while still retaining their essence.
Oh, wait, I lied. My BIGGEST pet peeve is any post-TLM II story where they make him out to be some piece of scenery or a kill-joy to all the fun that Ariel and Melody want to have. Where do people get the idea that the sailor-prince that we saw riding waves, saving dogs, and destroying sea witches in the original movie would ever be some bureaucratic stick-in-the-mud!?! And besides that, why wouldn't Eric be a caring, attentive, and understanding father, especially if he's survived 12 years married to Ariel! It's awful and it ticks me off, quite frankly. See "He Looked Down At Her" as my rebuttal.
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Post by 1luckyunicorn on Jun 15, 2010 23:28:18 GMT -5
Jerk-face Eric. I don't know where that even comes from.  It's like these pple haven't even watched the same movie I did. Oh, and concerning Eric swearing, there's some Disney characters that I can picture cursing (but not many) and not find it jarring, but Eric ain't one of them. Well, at least I don't picture him swearing like a character in a Martin Scorsese film or something. |
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Post by WickedElphie on Jun 16, 2010 11:29:53 GMT -5
Right. I could see Eric maybe using foul language in extreme extreme circumstances but that would be completely out of the ordinary. A good modern parallel would be Will Turner in POTC. He uses fairly polite language for most of the first film, so when he *ahem* makes aspersions about Barbossa's parentage it means more.
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Post by faya27 on Jun 16, 2010 16:47:25 GMT -5
My pet peeves for how Eric was portrayed in fan fiction echo the previous posts. I too, hate when Eric was made into a prop character or when they made him into a jerk face. It's very OOC. I had no idea where the heck did people get the idea that he is arrogant or a jerk. Either they never watched the movie or they're one of those dumb fans who hate all princes just because they saw a film containing a charmless prince (Prince Charming from Shrek 2-3, Gaston from Beauty and the Beast).
People should know that there is a HUGE difference between Eric, Gaston, and Shrek's Prince Charming.
Eric=quiet, kind, caring, brave, thoughtful, handsome, smart, awkward, shy, and a gentleman.
Gaston=stupid, thoughtless, arrogant, selfish, proud, rude, conceited, and a sexist.
Shrek's Prince Charming=(see Gaston).
There is a TLM fan fic that I regret reading. It is called, "Ariel's Melody." (It was also a proposed TLM sequel to the first film). It showed Eric being a jerk (or a Gaston-wannabe). In the story, Eric is mad because he wanted a son. However, he got a girl-a little merbaby girl. I know that it is historically accurate for a prince/king to want a son, but I can't see Eric having that point of view. (This is another fan fic that contradicts the statue scene). I also, didn't like how the author made Eric reject Melody. In the 1989 film, Eric still loved Ariel when she changed into a mermaid in front of him. Therefore, I can't understand why he couldn't accept Melody.
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Post by Coral on Jun 17, 2010 13:34:12 GMT -5
Everyone back then preferred sons to daughters. That's still very common in Eastern cultures. (my own husband thinks sons are better than daughters)
Eric's love for Ariel would make him not care if it's a boy or a girl. I'm sure he would be very worried about her while she's pregnant because I'm sure it's different for mermaids and humans. He would just be so relieved that she's safe and that baby is alive and well that he wouldn't care if it was a boy or a girl. He'd be thrilled to have any child.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jun 17, 2010 23:21:51 GMT -5
I just can't stand most fanfiction. I ran across that Ariel's melody thing. It was truly stupid. I can't see how they even came to the conclusions they did with it? If Eric was that big of a jerk, I don't see Ariel as just putting up with it either. After all the junk you guys have mentioned its just a strange bitter author who hates a cahracter for no real apperant reason.
One of my goals for when I write Eric is to put an emphasis on his relatable qualities. He HAS them, and I think that has good things and not so great things mixed in his personality that over all makes him... him!
I will also say that he's not all rainbows and sunshine either. There is a layer of darkness to him, imho. Which you can develope a number of ways
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Post by Zavi on Jun 23, 2010 22:00:25 GMT -5
You guys have pretty much run the gamut of things I also hate about Eric's mischaracterization. I'm definitely not a fan of Eric acting too princely in either his actions or his dialogue--it's clear from the film that he isn't a born dignitary and he might even start out as a poor politician, even if he tries and he cares deeply about his people (which of course he does.)
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Jun 29, 2010 23:37:21 GMT -5
Agh. I hate the whole "He's shallow!" thing these suedo intellectual disney fans say. Really? I HATE when people make huge statements and don't even back up WHY they feel that way. Amost as if by them saying it makes it true. Morons  |
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Post by faya27 on Jul 2, 2010 2:46:38 GMT -5
Tell me about it! People should remember that his movie is about Ariel not him or Triton or Sebastion or Ursula or Max or Flounder! It's about ARIEL!!! It's called "THE LITTLE MERMAID," not "THE LITTLE SAILOR." If Ron and John wanted to give Eric as much character development as they gave Ariel, then the movie would have been titled, "THE SAILOR AND THE MERMAID," instead of the "THE LITTLE MERMAID."
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It gets witchy the chance to be a fiercely loyal healer, guardian of the seas. And--what, she's being *sweet*?
It's like these pple haven't even watched the same movie I did.
