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Post by faya27 on Aug 31, 2011 9:27:18 GMT -5
The chart is very useful! And justifies Ariel's character for good! Yes, I don't mind a little bit of realism but I'm sure Ariel/Eric will still love each other post-1989 film and stay married to each other until they die. Additionally, Ariel and the other Disney girls may have fights with thier respective Disney men, but they will also work things out. They are much better off unlike the couples from Everybody Loves Raymond. (In that show, Debra's marriage was lousy because her husband was a wimp who couldn't stand up to his manipulative parents and his jealous brother).
I tried telling some people at IMD and Fanpop that Ariel wasn't selfish-she wanted to be human way before she met Eric and didn't think her father would seriously let her marry Eric until he turned her into a human, but those meanie heads won't listen to me.
I know Ariel is not a perfect character but why do critics (and any disney fanbrat that doesn't like TLM) always make it sound like Ariel and/or her movie was the worst thing Disney has ever created since the Song of the South? I know her movie's not popular anymore but back in 1989 it was really popular. Heck it was so popular it saved Disney from shutting down their animation studio. What do you guys think?
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Aug 31, 2011 21:15:00 GMT -5
Its just how things are everywhere in life. You have people who are more open minded and excepting of other people's tastes/opinions, then you have people who are not so much... LOL
Yeah, I'm used to the haters and if they don't listen to why I am a life long lover of it, I don't bother wasting more of my time in talking about it. Its just a waste of time and energy ^^
I have some really good friends who don't like it or Ariel, and we friendly tease each other about it, and while I love it, its certainly not enough to make me drop good friends over xD
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Post by faya27 on Sept 1, 2011 13:50:29 GMT -5
The people from Internet don't bother me so much cause I don't really know them.
In person, it was one girl who made me feel bad about liking TLM but I never liked her anyway. She was never my friend to begin with. It was her lack of morals(partying all the time instead of doing homework) that bugged me more than her disliking TLM.
New Question: What do you think sparked Ariel's curiousity in humans? She is naturally a curious girl but I wonder when her love for humans started.
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Post by WickedElphie on Sept 1, 2011 18:02:51 GMT -5
It's interesting because they actually do develop this somewhat in the series. "Charmed" IIRC had her finding her first human object, "Thingamajigger" had her observe humans for the first time and so on through the episodes.
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Post by Zavi on Sept 6, 2011 16:10:12 GMT -5
I know Thingamajigger had Ariel witness humans (RE a very puberty-stricken Eric) and she was fascinated that everything she'd been told about humans was wrong. It pushed her curiosity button and I'd assume the interest grew from there. Also I think it's important that Ariel's not afraid of the unknown. She wants to learn more about things regardless of how foreign and potentially dangerous they are. Why did people first go into space or explore the deepest oceans? Same concept.
I think once she hit her teens the conflicts with her father exacerbated this too. That's her way of rebelling and breaking her father's ties. I don't think that was the sole reason but I'm sure it helped. If you push a kid with the right personality, they push right back.
So I spose it started with chance circumstances/curiosity and the desire exploded once she got labeled as an outcast and had conflicts with her father. Instigated by curiosity and fueled somewhat by social things.
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Sept 6, 2011 20:52:24 GMT -5
On one hand it seems really sweet that Eric plays a part in her becoming fascinated by humans to begin with, but I also feel like she was kind of old to only start getting interested, and in TLM3 she didn't seem interested in humans at all. Its a little disheartening that it wasn't something she'd been interested in for years. Granted Ariel is someone who knows what she wants and who she wants to be, so it makes sense she'd recognize what it was when it came to call. I just wish she was younger when it started still. Have her be more like 9 or 10, that's just my thinking though.
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Post by Zavi on Sept 6, 2011 21:21:50 GMT -5
I tweak in-my-head canon for that reason. I never thought it made sense that a 15-year-old Ariel (or even a few years younger) wouldn't be interested in humans.
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Post by faya27 on Sept 15, 2011 22:36:23 GMT -5
I agree, that is what I dislike about the prequel and the tv show. They didn't go into far enough of how Ariel got interested in humans. I too, imagined that Ariel would become interested about humans at a very young age. Saying that she never got interested in it until she was sixteen made people question about whether she really wanted to be a human or was she going through a phase.
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Post by WickedElphie on Sept 23, 2011 21:33:50 GMT -5
See I disagree. I think she would have been very sheltered and maybe not even be aware that humans existed before she was nine or ten. And even if they peaked her interest she wouldn't have had the freedom to explore and learn more until she was older.
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Post by Coral on Sept 26, 2011 18:54:17 GMT -5
I'm somewhere in the middle of both opinions, but leaning more towards Jess's take. The youngest child is usually the favorite, and it's pretty clear to me that Triton does favor her. That's why he comes down so hard, he can't stand the thought of something happening to her.
I don't think she was very young when she became interested in humans. Around nine or ten, maybe as young as eight. But not any younger than that. Something had to have happened to spark the interest, and she had to be old enough to be relatively by herself when it happens. Otherwise her "obsession" wouldn't have been kept private.
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