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Post by faya27 on Sept 28, 2010 14:59:17 GMT -5
I see Ariel as having a lot of friends, cause she's just very out-going over all. I see her a having a few she's really close to, like she was with Flounder and Sebastian. I've been rping with Kelly, for Ariel and Esme being friends, and that dynamic has been awesome to me. I see Esme as really taking a liking to her since she tries to look beyond what society says a person is/should be. Poor girls both get accused of being shallow more often then not too. Of course the same people who call them "shallow" are also the same ones who call Beast's human form "ugly" when one of the POINTS of BatB was the appearances didn't matter. Anyway, I also would love to see more of Ariel interacting with Sadira and Jasmine, since her their her sister in laws pretty much lolz Ariel hanging out with Jas and Sadira, her sisters-in-law, would be so much fun!! ^^ Maybe I can draw a picture of them hanging out-while Eric, Aladdin, and Mozenrath are planning to crash the party. *giggles* |
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Post by Zavi on Feb 21, 2011 12:09:33 GMT -5
Heeeeee. So in light of Disney's 50th animated feature, how do we think our girlie would interact with Rapunzel? Tangled was a very strong throwback to Mermaid IMO and Blondie and Ariel share a lot of similar traits. I remember Glen Keane saying that when he critiqued a lot of scenes with Rapunzel he always wanted her facial expression to be strong, eve if Rapunzel was acting afraid--he never wanted her to be "the victim." So even though there's her sheltered character she's still got the vitality that Ariel has. She might not be addicted to danger but she's no pushover and she wants to get out and see what she's been missing.
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Post by Coral on Feb 21, 2011 17:20:07 GMT -5
I still haven't seen it, so I can't comment.
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Post by faya27 on Feb 23, 2011 16:00:33 GMT -5
Heeeeee. So in light of Disney's 50th animated feature, how do we think our girlie would interact with Rapunzel? Tangled was a very strong throwback to Mermaid IMO and Blondie and Ariel share a lot of similar traits. I remember Glen Keane saying that when he critiqued a lot of scenes with Rapunzel he always wanted her facial expression to be strong, eve if Rapunzel was acting afraid--he never wanted her to be "the victim." So even though there's her sheltered character she's still got the vitality that Ariel has. She might not be addicted to danger but she's no pushover and she wants to get out and see what she's been missing. I saw Tangled and I saw some Ariel in Rapunzel. Yes, they totally get along!! They can talk about and exchange thier treasures. Ariel-dinglehopper and Rapunzel-frying pan. ^^ |
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Post by fridamoonbeam on Feb 23, 2011 20:18:26 GMT -5
I think you'll love it Rachel. As Mare said Rapunzel and Ariel have a lot in common. I loved the characters in Tangled. They were all really well executed and nothing felt rushed or forced (as far a Disney movies go LOL)
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Post by WickedElphie on Feb 24, 2011 1:44:00 GMT -5
Rapunzel is similar to Ariel in a lot of ways, while still being distinct enough that I see her as a "little sister" and not a rip-off. Tangled's tone was similar to Mermaid's as well, paced briskly but still having some quiet moments, with the music helping the story to flow.
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Post by faya27 on Mar 20, 2011 19:47:04 GMT -5
Yes, I see what you mean. When my sister and I saw "Tangled," we like that Disney tried to be original this time. Even though, there were a few shout outs or similarities, my sister and I could tell that Disney was having fun with the story of Rapunzel. They were trying to be original with the characters and some story elements and at the same time be true to the Brothers Grimm version.
Compared to Princess and the frog where some story elments felt too predictable.
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Post by Zavi on Apr 13, 2011 16:10:58 GMT -5
I think PatF is better appreciated within the context of the studio's history. It's not my favorite film but I know a lot of people who love it to pieces and while it is an excellent film, I prefer Tangled. I appreciate how it got 2D animation back in the game though.
This thread neeeeeeds to be revived! *zaps*
Question: What do you find to be Ariel's most appealing feature? I mean this personality-wise, although if you want to comment on visuals that's fine. The animation conveys so much character and I'll certainly be commenting on that!
Actually now that I ask, it's hard to even start. I love how passionate Ariel is and how she's not afraid to *feel* things. She's not afraid to go exploring when sharks are around and she dreams big. She's just bubbling with optimism and even if it means getting into trouble or getting hurt, she'll take risks to get what she wants.
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Post by Coral on Apr 18, 2011 19:24:25 GMT -5
Definitely her passion and fearlessness. Those are two things I really identify with.
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Post by Aquisha on Apr 21, 2011 19:11:26 GMT -5
The older I get, the more I appreciate how well the filmmakers captured Ariel as a teenage girl. I think those aspects of her personality that correspond with her youth, the excitement, the headstrong quality, and her ability to live in the moment (like the dinner table scene and the tour of the kingdom), those are all the things about Ariel that I really love.
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Post by Aquisha on Apr 30, 2011 13:56:26 GMT -5
So, as I finish AHIKTC (yes, it's finished), I can't help but think of all the differing opinions of Ariel's life on land. A lot of people seem to think that it's fraught with unhappiness and yearning for the ocean, manifesting itself in the form of idleness to night terrors. Not to mention Eric's inability to make up for what she lost/his obliviousness to her homesickness. I wanted to get some people's thoughts on how our mermaid does with legs and if it's really as bad as people think it is.
Personally, I don't think so. Ariel knows what she's getting into and, because I think she has a good support system in Eric and his kingdom, I think she does pretty well. She's used to being different; she was the only mermaid in an entire kingdom who was into humans. A few snickers and jeers from snobby aristos aren't going to get to her that easily. It wouldn't be all smooth sailing, but I don't think she'd be clinically depressed either. Whatdaya think?
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Post by Zavi on Apr 30, 2011 15:59:58 GMT -5
I'm so glad you mentioned that, Paige! And I think you may have killed my inner fangirl from squeeing. Can't wait to see the conclusion of AHIKTC! I think the longing-for-water 100% interpretation almost reinforces what critics say makes Ariel childish/air-headed/too reckless. Because clearly she doesn't know what she needs and chooses things willy-nilly.  But YES, there will be changes. Enormous adjustments. Changes Ariel would have never anticipated. But who better to tackle the unknown than Ariel? She isn't afraid of being different or experiencing new things, which makes her ready for any transition. There's a model geographers use to reference transitions like this: granted, they're for say westerners moving into developing nations but it could illustrate the kind of feelings Ariel might go through staying on land and even coming back into the sea. This also illustrates how hopelessly geeky I am. So the first stage marks all the oohing and ahhing at all the new experiences. This happens before you're really forced to "settle" into daily life. Once you have to go through the different daily routines, mood drops (culture shock). The mood shift happens because so many of the things you take for granted (bathing routines, food, travel) change! So for Ariel that'll be experiencing the daily human life that differs the most from mer-culture. The big things: gravity, increased sunlight, human food, sights/smells/sounds, and basic human routines. Then adjustment occurs and the mood goes right back up. Variants of this curve (like the second chart) also include a second dip, where you experience a second wave of culture shock. This comes from the more subtle issues that surface once you have all the basic routines under your belt. So for Ariel that'd probably be adjusting to human government and fishing economy, body language/social cues, social nuance, and dealing with the fact that she's a mermaid in a human world. And a smaller wave of culture shock happens on the return home. Okay, that's enough geekery for one day. But I could see a similar transition happening for Ariel, although I can't imagine her mood drops would be that drastic. She's far too much of a bounce-back personality for changes to hurt her that much. Although I imagine there will be many issues she'll run into along the way. There'll be frustration and I'm sure she might miss some parts of the ocean, but she knew what she was getting into and she wouldn't go back on something she's wanted for so long. I'm curious about the effects on the kingdom as a whole though, or at least Eric. Given that he can't control what his people think about his choice to marry a former mermaid. I'm sure there were a few ignorant individuals who had issues with that. And if they had issues with Eric beforehand this would just be another reason to undermine his political prowess. |
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Post by WickedElphie on Apr 30, 2011 16:25:35 GMT -5
I agree 100%. I think one thing critics and fanfic writers fail to consider is that Ariel is naturally adventurous and adaptable and has a talent for picking up things quickly. So she'd have an easier transition than a lot of people. It wouldn't all be roses but I think she'd over-all fall in love with the culture (having already done so with the limited tastes of it she's already had).
Some people are just like. They travel somewhere and they end up living there and being happy. One example I can think of is Guy Williams who played Zorro in the 1953 Disney Zorro series. He was an ethnically Italian American but he traveled to Argentina, loved the culture and the people, and eventually moved there and lived there until his death. I have an uncle who grew up in America, ended up emigrating back to Ireland as a young adult, got married and raised his family there. He still lives there. It's not *that* unusual.
As for Eric it would really depend on the temperature of the nation. He's a young, amiable, strong male heir. Assuming his father was also popular I think he and Ariel could ride out the tension comparatively easily.
And Paige: CONGRATULATIONS! So looking forward to reading the end of that!
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Post by Zavi on Apr 30, 2011 17:00:25 GMT -5
Right. She was 100% ecstatic on her first trip onto land, even if it was only for a few days. And even though she became aware of some cultural differences (re Dinglehoppers are for eating), she got a little embarrassed and then bounced right back up.
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Post by Aquisha on Apr 30, 2011 18:00:14 GMT -5
Mare, thank you for the visual aid! I love your graphs; nothing supports an argument better than a graph!
It's like people pick and choose what they're going to throw realism on with Disney movies: there can be magic and positivity all through the original movie, but when the reel ends it all comes crashing down and our princesses have more issues than a cast of Real Housewives. I just don't think it's that serious. Ariel's going to be fine, there might be bumps, but this is what she wanted. Land for Ariel is like going to college: it's difficult and fun all at the same time and you love it. It makes home a nice place to visit. That's what happens to Ariel.
I think her main challenge beyond the minute cultural changes that are going to throw her will be Ariel's shift from 7th in line to a throne to the only option there is. There may be a small panic attack over that one. It'll make her take things more seriously, realize that she's part of a team, and that she's got responsibilities to uphold to both her kingdom and Eric. I'm actually thinking about writing something about that aspect of their relationship, but I digress.
And yes, Jess, I think that Eric's got a high approval rating, so I think the peasantry would really be excited and taken with Ariel. The nobles, it might take some convincing and some major etiquette lessons with Carlotta, but she'd get there in time ;D
And, yep, Court is done! It happened in less than 48 hours (basically, I wrote it waiting for the Royal Wedding to start, how ridiculous is that?) but hopefully, in the next couple of days, I'll get it posted!
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Post by Zavi on May 3, 2011 8:27:52 GMT -5
I enjoy realism and more mature themes (ie sacrifice, suffering, etc.) within the constraints of the characters. I like the Don Bluth philosophy that kids can take pretty much anything as long as there's a happy ending.
I really like that analogy, Paige! I'm on the last leg of my freshman year in college *is a baby* and I can definitely say I had an Ariel transition.
Your comment about the peasantry liking Ariel makes me really want to see how they'd interact. It'd be adorable on so many levels just because she's so curious to learn about human things and I imagine the less wealthy wouldn't be stuck up and would be family-oriented, show her around, etc. I like the idea of her patronizing the local restaurants for human foods (Poor Louie!).
Can you imagine her trying to eat pasta for the first time (provided seaweed noodles aren't canon) or trying ice cream?
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Post by Coral on May 4, 2011 21:32:59 GMT -5
As usual, I don't see anything I disagree with.
The whole bit with Ariel having nightmares and being afraid of everything has never set well with me. That is so not our Ariel! The occasional nightmare about the battle would be understandable because it was a traumatic event but she wouldn't let it paralyze her. Heck, I had a few nightmares after my traumatic event but they've been gone for months now.
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Post by Aquisha on May 5, 2011 20:38:35 GMT -5
Yeah, Rachel! Ariel is not the kind of person to back away from a challenge; she faces things head on and doesn't crumble when things don't go the way she planned them. She's a fighter! And she's going to have a support system: Grimsby is not going to let that kingdom fall into disarray because their queen doesn't know what a fork is! He will make sure she is the best she can be, if not for her sense of self, but for the kingdom!
And yeah, Mare, I enjoy realism in stories. As an actor I believe Meisner's idea of "living truthfully under imaginary circumstances" and that writing fiction is no different: if you're dealing with magic or mermaids, people are still people and you have to capture their emotions as honestly as you can. But I think that sometimes people just want more drama or they just liked Ariel better as a mermaid and want an excuse to make her unhappy on land.
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Post by Coral on May 10, 2011 17:35:37 GMT -5
But I think that sometimes people just want more drama or they just liked Ariel better as a mermaid and want an excuse to make her unhappy on land. And I'm of the opinion, that when they do that, it's not really Ariel they love. It's mermaids in general. They just don't realize it. That's my theory anyway. |
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Post by Zavi on May 12, 2011 10:40:17 GMT -5
I'd agree with you, Rachel. I've yet to see someone pull off Ariel wanting the sea more than land effectively. You'd have to have one heck of a reason to do it right. I do enjoy reading about her issues with adjustment and unexpected changes, however. But in the end I think she'll overcome the culture shock and love the human world even more.
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